314299: No, Lee has not manufactured these kits for quite a few years.
ctne4: can you still buy these kits?... please reply.. thank you for the video..
314299: None of my other Lee Loader shotgun kits have the spacer, only the .410 does. Regular washers are too thin as you mention, to make a useable spacer epoxy or solder several washers together to get the correct thickness. The spacer that came with my kit is 0.20" thick, 0.5" in diameter with a 0.25" hole in it.
OldenCrow: I have a question about the spacer. Is it included in your Lee Loader kit? The Lee Loaders I have owned do not have them (but I don't have a 410 one). If someone has the kit minus the spacer is there a suggestion what to use for a spacer? Most washers in hardware stores would be too thin. BTW could you measure the hole size in your spacer, is a 1/4" washer about the right hole size? Thanks !
redwoodfox: Thanks. Been looking into these, I'm thinking of getting one for reloading my 9mm pistol and carbine.
314299: As long as you do those operations on a flat, smooth surface there is no danger of the primer going off while you are crimping the shell.
redwoodfox: what is the danger of the primer firing the shell when you are pushing and crimping?
314299: They are out there, just not as common as in 12 gauge.
infidel556x45: man i have been looking for a 10 gauge lee loader for years,,,,,,,,
314299: You are correct in that a 209 shotshell primer would not work in an exactly stock shell holder, the priming hole would have to be bigger. I'm sure some of the clever folks at Lee Precision could work something out if they wanted to, but I dont think they are interested in making a .410 machine.
jsm666: You can also try the lane's loader (google lanes reloading) which is cheaper than the horrendous prices the original Lee device fetches on ebay but follows the same basic process with a few cosmetic differences. I have tried it in 12 gauge, with some difficulty but it does work. I will be trying it in .410 soon.
jsm666: Could it? A shotshell primer is significantly larger than the standard Large Rifle primer, and even if you drilled out the base of a .303 British or similar rim sized shell holder, the drop channel in the base of most press rams wouldn't be wide enough when decapping occurred & the primer feed wouldn't be compatible. It might still be worthwhile to handle wad seating, precrimp and crimp finish but deprime/reprime would be an issue. I can sort of imagine a fix for that but not in 500 characters.
314299: They are no longer made. I suggest keeping an eye on eBay or go to gun shows.
jordan goobie: where can i get a kit like this new or old
314299: I suppose if you only ever buy one box of shells it is cheaper.... If you shoot a lot reloading the shells is cheaper.
jad masri: Cool,but doesn't that cost more than buying box of shells?
Still cool though :P
hyena429: Yup...Same here...I got a little side by side 410 shot gun..I just paid 15.99 for a box of 3 inch 4 shot in town "shakes head" And almost all the 410 is gone...I have to put part of the blame on taurus judge...All the judge owners are driving up the price of a hardly used round...Now it is getting popular again...Ammo makers are not keeping up with 410's..i wish lee would make a set of reload die for them...I been looking my self..lol
314299: I have converted .303 British for use in the .410, works reasonably well depending on the gun, and a lot easier to find .303 than 444 brass.
martini carbine: i think i have found a solution ....BRASS .410 .. i knew MAGTECH sell 24ga brass shotgun shells, because some martini shooters reform them into 450/577.ginsboy2013 on YouTube. google ".410 brass " i see there's also a guy on YouTube who reforms 444 cases into .410 . i must say when he finishes the case with glue to hold the cardboard wad ,worries me , do some research on that it looks dangerous... us black-powder cartridge shooters use wax with a cardboard wad.
314299: Here a box of cheap 12 gauge shells costs $6.50, while .410 shells cost $15. I don't understand why Lee does not make a set of standard reloading dies for the .410. The .410 would fit into a 7/8x14 die and could use a standard shell holder.
martini carbine: its a shame they dont , because were i live .410 cartridges are dearer than 12gauge cartridge's.. certainly puts people off, owning a .410.... good for dispatching tiger snakes around the house.
314299: Unfortunately Lee no longer makes the Lee Loader in .410 and never offered any other .410 press. About the cheapest way to get into loading the .410 is a second hand MEC 600JR press, or if you have a MEC press a set of dies to convert it to .410
martini carbine: the LEE LOADER is a good starting point for the new re-loader ..... save up buy yourself a 2nd hand full size re-loader, its a hell of a lot quicker. ..
then when you can reload near anything ... its a great excuse to keep adding guns to your collection.. LOL.
314299: Yep, that's the one.
James Raynor: lanesreloading
314299: Yeah, it's not a high speed process.
jacqui scarrot: And i thought reloading rifle rounds were slow! Nice video though. Thanks.
314299: Lee Loaders don't resize the shells, you have to use ones that were fired in your shotgun.
TEXANConnection: what about resizing the shell?
TEXANConnection: what about resizing the shell?
314299: Gun shows and on-line auctions are good places to try. There is a guy on eBay that sells a similar tool set for the .410, sorry but I forget his name.
killop141: Where can I get one of the Lee Loaders or something simulator?
salpi23: pretty cool, thanks for the video
314299: The few times I have taken a 12 Ga hunting upland game I have regretted it, far too much damage to the meat. For close cover the .410 does fine.
redbeard54: Thanks for the GREAT video. my .410 is my go-to for "Meat in the Pot" so I don't need to load 100's of shells. My 12 Ga seems like just so much overkill for most game
314299: No, the shotgun primer is too big to fit in the auto prime tool and I think the hole in the shell holders is too small as well.
jonathannintendonerd: Can you use a lee auto prime hand priming tool with the right die to seat the primer in the 410 shell?
314299: I don't think many people are plan to load for boxes of shells at a time with one of these sets. Anyone planniong on loading 100 shells in one session would be advised to get MEC press.
firecracker1368030: I can't imagine doing that 100 times
314299: Winchester, Federal, Remington and Claybuster each make only one length of wad, the wads used for 1/2 ounce and 11/16 are the same wads. Changing the length of the shell from 2-1/2" to 3" is what changes the amount of shot that can be put into the shell. The 3/4 ounce load is possible only by using a roll crimp as a roll crimp uses less of the shell than a fold crimp. You will need a 3" loader to load 3" shells, the 2-1/2 version will not load 3" shells.
April Small: I enjoyed your video. I was wondering did you use a 1/2 oz. wade with a 3/4 oz. shot charge? Is that so you can put 3/4 oz. of shot in because I thought the shot amount today with wades is 11/16. I was interested in purchasing the Lanes reloader in 410. Like you say the Lee loaders are scarse. I'm pretty new at this. I was hoping to reload the 3" shells but I don't see any wades for the 3" shell. Thanks for any info you can offer.
314299: Yes a press would work well for seating primers.
blucotech: What about using a press? I would think, so long as you have a clean surface underneath the shell, that it would allow you to apply force with a mechanical advantage while avoiding unintentional discharge.
Robert Layton: Back in 1964 I had a 20 gauge shotgun and a Lee Loader to reload my own shells. I recall the pressure used when you punched down the wad was 90lbs. I used a bathroom scale. the top wad was cardboard and much thicker than the 40lb. paper you punched out. I think that's why you had so much trouble with the roll crimp. After a few reloads, the wax impregnated paper of the shell would expand and the shells had to be resized by putting them in a 300F oven then quickly inserted into the die.
314299: No, Lee have not made the shot shell loading kits for quite a few years.
jheetman: i looked into lee hand loaders and they are available on several sites but only for brass cased rounds (rifle and pistol). i know the shotgun loaders can be had on ebay for reasonable prices, but i was just wondering, does lee still make and sell the shotshell hand loaders?
314299: The type of crimp does effect the amount of pressure a load generates, roll crimps generally elevate the start pressures a bit. Having never used an arbor press in conjunction with one of these tools I really can't say how well it would work out.
jsm666: Going back and looking at it again, it's somewhat clearer now - roll crimp is sort of like die-punch-die-punch-die-punch with a lot of checking in between, whereas star crimp seems more like 90% die with a touch of punch at the end to finish. Does the type of crimp make any difference when the trigger is pulled? And if you already had an arbor press, would that make your job easier or does that still rob you of the right "feel"?
314299: So is paying $18 for a box of .410 shells when they can be loaded for $3.50.
butchcellphone: Seems like a pain