edpall: Thanks for the VIDEO Jake Moon, I did it yesterday to a friend's RAV4 2003.
The transmission was doing extreme clunks, and violent accelerations, and
no shift from 3rd and up. like a disaster.
First he went to Toyota dealer, diagnostics: 1200 to change the ECM, or
3000 ECM + Tranny.
Then he went to Autozone, the part was not in stock, they need to ask for
it, 1 week, and $700 for a NON TOYOTA ECM.
Then we decided to do the job at home, 1Hr labor, I resold the 6 resistors
only and cleaned the board corners with steel brush gantly.
Back the ECU in place and NO FAILS ANYMORE!! Awesome., we erase the codes
from the ODBII, and the chack engine light didn´t appear again.
edpall: Many things today from your Phone to your Motorcycle or Car electronic
parts are very tested, but due the automatism of production, when they
FAIL, They FAIL ALL IN THE SAME PLACE in ALL THE PRODUCTION CARS , the
video don't show any difficult thing or a mysterious paralell universe, if
you know a little about electronics, you MUST KNOW that soldering parts
suffers with temperature extreme changes (car outside in winter north
hemysphere and when you turn the heater the temp goes high), dilatation and
contractions affects the solder parts, and one day simply cracks, resolder
that pieces is not a PATCH, is about let vthe circuit EXACTLY AS IS WHEN
LEAVE THE FACTORY.
I've repaired dozens of things like that, that ECUS are no more than a
small processor in a circuit board, like a computer, a TV game or whatever.
If you assume that IS ALREADY DAMAGED FOR REPLACEMENT, why not try, before
down your pants at the dealer?, I'm not fear to do that.
Another FAMOUS fail un the HONDA CRV 2000 is the dash clock, ALMOST NONE
STILL WORKING. all of them have the same points of solder "disconnected",
or "cracking" or false solder.. as you call it, and the problem can be
solved exactly like this one, "re-touching" the soldering points with a
small soldering tip. and voila.
The ABS BOSCH ROTRONIC of the AUDI QUATTRO 2004, The same, much much
smaller soldering, but same thing... false contacts after 5-8 years,
de-assembly re soldering and working again.
THANKS TO THE AUTOR OF THIS VIDEO it's a VERY COMMON PROBLEM and many
people charges you $ 200 to do exactly the same job under the LIE "WE
DIAGNOSE YOUR RAV4 ECU, WE MEASURE AND WE REPAIR IT WITH WARRANTY"
Randy Jarmon: Hi,
RAV 4 ( 2001 ) Hard shifting / slipping between gears. Trans shop -
changed transmission.... ( my bad , should have checked out this
information ! )
Then..... hard shifting again.... shop replaced valve cover with
Shift problems again... now- took it to Toyota dealer, told them to Re
Flash ECU, which they did, for free. Shifts with just slight hesitations,
only 50 miles since re flash. Will wait until 100 miles.
To be continued...
caferacervic: One of problem is the ground connection at the left corner near the plug. I
have had a lot of visible electro corrosion and in a result I have got bad
Jenalin Balela: You can actually ohm the path that connect to the resistor(not the resistor
itself because you will be pushing down on it), the tap the resistor and
you will get intermittent beep on the meter. This is an example of micro
crack invisible to the naked eye. Thanks for uploading, its always best to
put new resistor on it since its low value.
eddie short: I found a place on ebay AUTO MODULE SOURCE they sent me one for $158.00
I installed the new one which lasted about two weeks before it started
acting up, the lady I spoke to said there could be a variable solenoid
that's bad or something causing the computer to short out, anyone have any
experience with that?
Jenalin Balela: The way you read SMT resistor, R stand for decimal point. So R330 is .330
Brad Streets: So the scanner is telling me it's a shift solenoid, either #1 or #2, but
maybe I should re-solder the resistors on the ECU first to see if codes
disappear? Also, does the rav4 have to be re=programmed to turn off the
service light, or does it relearn or shut off through the code scanner?
It's my friends son's suv, and I'd hate for them to buy a $150 solenoid
only to find out they did not need to spend the$$
Jonathan Dragon: Well its been a month now and its working great. So for me that confirmed
it. "Bad Solder Joints." Thanks jake moon. Well made video and it saved me
time and money. You could probably just reflow the solder for a short fix
but I replaced the solder on those resistors in the video. Can't thank you
SuperRucar: Thank you, this video saved my pocket, redid the welds of the items listed,
nor had to change anything, just took some oxidations processor and
function normally again, was giving the same problems in the gear changes,
reduced alone and not advancing to first second, the unit spent on
mechanical problems and accused the solenoid b. And the mechanic ever
wanted to take off my exchange. Lucky I watched this video before! I'm from
Brazil and I have a 2001 Rav4.
Ndy Ly: Do a resistors test if ya not sure if it's bad or not...
bmhcooray: Hey Jake, I am having this same shifting issue with my 2003 RAV4 - Chili. I
took it to a mechanic and after checking the code he said that this was a
Solenoid issue in the Transmission. Was this the case with you too, before
you decided to take a look at the ECM?
Technishun: OK, I had serious reservations on this task. Reading the comments only
vulcanized my feelings, but decided it was well worth trying as the ECU was
coming out anyway.
The PC board looked brand new coming out of my 2003 RAV4, so there was no
oxidation - very nice manufacturing quality, I might add. But, being a Sr.
Electronic Engineering Design tech, I've come across some 'impossibilities'
in my debugging career, so if there are folks who said it work....I'm down
I did not stick to the few items mentioned by Jake - heck no. If I have an
intermittent, I will reflow the solder on ALL the components, if I have to.
But, I decided to stick with the high current items involving ANY of the
resistor packages described (1210, I believe: .12" x .10" - BTW, for you
DIYR's - Digi-Key Corp is your ultimate friend for finding parts of this
nature). And, I continued to reflow the devices connected to said resistors
(reflowing all these resistors, of course): all power control IC's (a
number of 20-pin (?) IC's), and all power drive devices (black, 3 legged
parts with tabs solder to the board).
I just shoved it back in place after reworking for a test drive - and IT
Many thanks to you Jake for posting this. Otherwise, I would have spent a
couple, or a few Franklins on this fix!
One last word to the wise: if you cannot solder, meaning, if you don't have
the proper tools to start with (small diameter soldering tip, thin gauge
solder, ample visual magnification), and you're not experienced with PCB
rework - do not attempt to try this!! Soldering is not rocket science, but
debugging your rework error might be.
Walter Rodriguez: Hi jake, thanks for your information, I could repair my rav4, if any more
selfless people like you, our world would be better, greetings from Puerto
bigbad1ton: Fixed mine.
Aiman Alhroub: 100/100
Aiman Alhroub: Thank you!
Sakis Petropoulos: well sorry but there is absolutelly no usefull information in this video
excpet the catchy title Nice of you 53.000 suckers including me have been
watching your video
Gary Spooner: Repairing circuitry must be left to a professional. Sending that computer
to a shop for repair will give you a warranty. You are a cheat trying to
figure out what method is used to fix the computer and then blasting it all
over youtube. Identifix is another cheat program - soon enough an 8 year
old will be able to diagnose a complaint.. Give it time. Eventually, the
only expertise available to actually diagnose a problem will be a Dealer
and they do not share info at all..
Orin green: I hate reading the comments cuz I watched the video and it seems promising
then comments are discouraging.
Jake Moon: check engine etc, i would recommend them if you cannot do it yourself.
quick shipping and good product.
Jake Moon: Not necessarily. The poor shifting issue will cause accelerated wear of the
friction material on the clutch disks so if you drive it long enough it
will damage the transmission internal components. The ecm controls
electronic solenoids in the trans. The solenoids cause gear shifts by
manipulating the pressure and flow path of hydraulic trans fluid to the
clutches. Get your ecm fixed first. Then if trans slippage is still present
you may suspect the transmission.
Jake Moon: very true. this repair video isnt so much to help you save money as it is
to assist people who enjoy the satisfaction of doing it themselves such as
i do. if you have to google "how to solder" or have to look up how to
remove the ecu from the vehicle then this is not something you should
Francisco Veliz: Jake hi I live in Chile South America and I have the same problem with the
Toyota Rav4 2003. The models sold in Chile are different as those sold in
other parts. I own a electronic laboratory of computers so I imagine my
technicians can fix. But I can not find where to buy the resistences we
explain. I would like to get information please. Thanks. Please your kindly
answer to mu email firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks again Gabriel Seguev
Jake Moon: Most problems with an ecu or instrument cluster or other circuit boards are
actually quite simple. The most common I've seen is broken solder
connections, bad resistors, and bad capacitors. But if it didn't work then
maybe I missed something. I doubt it though because its much less likely
that the cause of the problem is actually two separate parts of the
circuit, since there would have to be no symptoms until both separate parts
of the circuit failed. I don't think 50 miles is sufficient IMO
Bay Drifters: Do you know the ohms on those resistors?
Jake Moon: On my Saturn it took about 400 miles to relearn the proper shift timing
after I replaced the pressure control solenoid; I was too lazy to put the
ecu into quick learn mode with the scanner. But believe it or not, I have
been known to be wrong from time to time so until I run into another one to
repair myself and verify it we won't know for sure. Unless somebody just
pops the cover off of their repaired ecu and takes a look.
TheManAzz: @mangofever233 820 is 82 Ohms, R330 is 0,33 Ohm. On my ecu there were fine,
resoldered it and almost rest of the board without luck, any other ideas?
Jake Moon: @TheManAzz hmm...the only thing i can think of at the moment is that the
ecu needs time to relearn the proper shift timing etc. as this shifting
issue starts to occur, the ecu will increase/decrease the transmission
shift adaptive values to try and correct for it. the high resistance to the
solenoids will cause the shifts to be longer (the ecu measures the time it
takes for the trans to shift by comparing input and
Speedo Tronix: This fix wont work dont waste time. You must replace the solenod drivers in
the computer! You do not have to change the resistors!
elio villacinda: ESTIMADO AMIGO USTED POR CASUALIDAD REALIZA ESTAS REPARACIONES A ESTOS
EQUIPOS, SI ES ASI A DONDE SE LO PODRIA ENVIAR EL ECU
Jake Moon: way is to simply drive the vehicle. on most cars it takes about 100 miles
for the transmission to relearn these values without starting the relearn
proceedure using the toyota scan tool. (as far as i know, only the toyota
scan tool has this capability) The distance required will vary quite a bit
on the type of driving. i would guess it takes about 30 times of stop,
acclerate, cruice in high gear half a mile, repeat. so, that is my
recommendation to you. i am quite positive this is the
gravey07: What are the beige/tan rectangular individual chips on the board??? How can
they be tested? Is there any good websites for learning this kinda stuff??
Jake Moon: Im about 90% sure the 820 is .82 ohms and the r330 is .33 ohms. I found
that info while searching for replacement resistors. I think they are .5
watt, but may be 1 watt. If your good at Google searching you should be
able to find them. They are not common though; I only found one distributor
on the whole net.
Jake Moon: You may be able to use multiple higher impedance round resistors to work
instead because they are easier to get. E.g. two ten ibm resistors in
parallel equals one 5 ohm. But there is also the issue of wattage.
SpeedometerRepair: To get the value of the ohms on the resistors you go as follows: you get
the first 2 digits for the value and the third digit determines the number
of zeros that you add to the value The ones on the board with the 820 are
82ohms if they were 821 they would be 820 ohms. These type of resistors are
harder to find than regular resistor (thru-hole) butt they can be replaced
with thru-hole as long as the resistance is the same.FYI they have no
maha77: Does a bad ECM mean the transmission is bad too or just the ECM?
brandon woods: what company did the repair? thanks in advance.
Jake Moon: output speeds) and therefore it will apply the shift solenoid sooner or
increase the line pressure or both. if, by resoldering the resistors you
correct the high resistance issue, the adaptive values will be far from
where they should be. there are two ways to correct this. one costs
money-go to the toyota dealer and request that they perform the
"transmission adaptive relearn proceedure." i am not telling you to do this
because they will charge you at least 40 dollars for it. the free
Richard Rodriguez: I tried it too. Did not work. Drove it for about 50 miles, still nothing. I
just bought a refurbished ecu from a local shop and all problems went away.
I guess that there is something else to it. I did not expect it to be so
easy, so not surprised anyways. Thanks for your effort though.
Jake Moon: to properly flush the trans, drain it, fill it back with about five quarts,
then flush while running with the cooler lines disconnected. the fluid that
comes out the cooler lines comes from the torque converter though so you
only get about half of it flushed anyways so thats why i dont usually
bother with it. 50% for drain and fill vs 75% for lots of time doing a
flush isnt worth it to me.
Jake Moon: @MrRockinneil "themanazz" has corrected me- he says the 820 is 82 ohms, not
Jake Moon: Hey roger, feel free to write me at email@example.com
DAWOOD RYAMI: thank you sir ...
Jake Moon: i think it would be a safe call that this is your problem. if you dont know
how to solder just send it in to an ecu repair facility. and repair the
ground points as well if they are corroded, e.g. powdery white film
covering the solder. it takes a bit of driving once installed for it to
start shifting properly unless you get a remanufactured one then they reset
the trans adaptive memory for you. also i would just do a drain and fill of
trans dont bother flushing anything.
carr33: Just re-touching the solder of only all the resistors indicated in this
video and refreshing the ground contacts indicated, fixed my 2001 Rav4 for
severe transmision shifting issues. Thanks Mangofever!!!
Tom T: I just happened to find this video... I rebuilt thousands of ecu, ecm, tcm
etc. The worst thing you can do is open up the box and mess around with
these boards.. The dealer wants some place in the neighborhood of $1,000
with a core exchange.. It's just not worth playing with them...
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Jake Moon: exact issue, the resistor problem. i have had people email me with
successful results. but what is more, i thoroughly examined my repaired ecu
for signs of new solder and new parts and that is the only thing i saw.
although i have been known to make a mistake from time to time, i regularly
make repairs to circuits such as these so i'm pretty confident in my
findings. if you dont mind, please let me know what you find or if it is