FORD 5.4 With Cam Phaser Issue




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Ronnie Charlton: Here is a TSB from Ford: 21574 4.6L 3V/ 5.4L 3V ENGINE TICK/RATTLE FROM VCT 800-1200 RPM - DO NOT ATTEMPT SERVICE 2009-2010 F-150 WITH 4.6L 3V, 2005-2010 F150 WITH 5.4L 3V,2005-2010 MUSTANG WITH 4,6L 3V, 2005-2010 F250, F350 WITH 5.4L3V, 2006-2010 EXPLORER/MOUNTAINEER WITH 4.6L 3V ENGINE, 2007-2010 SPORT TRAC WITH 4.6L 3V ENGINE, AND 2005-2011 EXPEDITIONS AND NAVIGATORS WITH 5.4L 3V ENGINES. SOME CUSTOMERS MAY BE CONCERNED WITH TICK/RATTLE NOISES FROM THE VARIABLE CAM TIMING (VCT) ON LIGHT TIP-IN ACCEL BETWEEN 800-1200 RPM. THIS CONDITION MAY BE MOST NOTICEABLE OPERATING VEHICLE IN CONFINED AREAS SUCH AS A DRIVE-THRU. THE NOISE IS ELIMINATED WHEN VCT SOLENOIDS ARE UNPLUGGED. THIS CONDITION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL CHARACTERISTIC OF THE ENGINE. DO NOT ATTEMPT ENGINE REPAIRS TO CHANGE THIS NORMAL CONDITION. THIS CONDITION DOES NOT AFFECT PERFORMANCE OR DURABILITY OF THE ENGINE.

Danny McCarthy: lined all our 5.4s up at work they all ticked some got it fixed some didn't. it didn't seem to affect the truck they've been running for over 200,000 miles with the tick. the ones who got it fixed ran the same. personally i think the tick it just something they do and i don't think it affects the engine. I've talked to many people they all have different components that they claim fixed the tick so i really don't think its a big deal. 

1puld: Its true they r JUNK I had my phasers done once under waruanty at 40000 and friend (great wrench) and I did at 60000 its a shame 2 months after fix adjuster gets lose that can also tick. Bare with me but ONCE U FIX PHASERS NEVER USE 5w 20 AGAIN. After the engine gets past 30000 to 40000 5w 20 is to thin . There is not enough oil pressure on the top of the engine for phasers to advanced and retard properly they scratch bind and break. Right after 2nd fix I run 10w 30 in winter and 10w 40 in summer might not get the best mpg but no more phaser issue. And the rattling at start up tenisoners had that problem too. THEY leak but cheap to fix if u do yourself.

Ryan Hughes: The 5.4 is not engineered properly anyone with knocks or ticks or a gas diesel truck needs a new engine. Ford replaced mine at 80 k under warranty. The cam profile needs upgrading as well as some extra machining in the block. If they replace phasers timing chain ect. It will fail again. If ford tells you it needs new phasers slap them good and say you want a new engine to replace the defecto one! Mine was a f150 5.4 2009 screw. 

dioslen rondon: tekjanson, how much did you pay for both phasers to be replaced and was this a complete kit with chain etc or just the phasers? sorry i have the same issue and my truck is exactly like yours now with 155,000 miles on it...your help is greatly appriciated!

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Gale Sams: i HAVE BEN Adiesel MECHANIC FOR 40 YRS. TRY USEING rOTELLA 15- 40 i HAD ALL THE PROBLEMS yOURS DID.

TC Thompson: Shouda caused a "check engine" light come on as well. There's a alignment pin that correctly times the cam timer ass'y to the cam that shears causing the problem. Even replacing the cam gear ass'y will work for awhile, but it's gonna do it again,guarenteed!

benscd1: I have the same problem on my 05 F150 took it to the dealer 3 times they replaced phasers timing chains and injectors they also did my oil change twice I did the third one they blamed me for putting a after market oil filter they said they found pieces of the oil filter on the cam and that's what was causing the problem truck been making noise since the first time I took it in they replaced the rocker arms still hear the tapping noise they told me to take it to another dealer now Champion Ford

TC Thompson: I maintain a 475 vehicle fleet that has several of these 5.4's in f-150's as well as the f-450's w/ 6.0L diesels. These damn things are in our shop more than any of our oldest G.M.'s! We don't go a week without at least ONE Ford come in with problems! Mike Rowe, I sure hope you get paid WELL to be thier spokesman! Biggest P.O.S. ever made!! Henry should be spinning in his grave!!

Eddie Linhares: I got piston slap on my 2000, no call back and they fixed it in 2001 ford found the defect but never took care of their clients, as for the newer models all they did was add ten pounds of metal in the right areas to mask the noises of their so called tough engines.

rumerboyz: Oh, forgot to let you know my truck is a F250 5.4 Is your truck a Superduty?

MrJtmulanax: ive been running 5w20 in my 07 f150 5.4 since the day it was new!! Never been over 4500 miles on an oil change and always use motorcraft "ford" oem filter! But however my truck still sounds like a peanut thrasher when it warms up!! only 30k miles.

rumerboyz: Thanks for the info man! I will try that.

rumerboyz: My truck burns about 1/2 quart also. Does your truck have that tapping at start up and under hard acceralation? Do you use Motorcraft 5w-20 oil?

rumerboyz: Are you happy with the 5.4 engine? I'm still trying to figure out the tapping coming from my passenger side while on the gas. Doesn't make the sound in park. I have heard the same noise on a F250 and F150.

Filmaker25: It almost sounds like engine tapping. Hmm, I'm wondering if maybe my engine isn't really knocking afterall, my engine sounds very similiar to this in the monring , when it's cold.

tekjanson: Nate, The oil pressure is a much bigger issue. I would focus on that. I changed my cam phasers and the truck idles smoother, and the rattling when I first start it, stopped. The engine is still noisy, just not as noisy (these are noisy engines). Mine got progressively worse, and the engine was sounding more like a diesel. You need to find out if that oil pressure is just an indication problem, or is it for real. That can destroy the engine. Good luck

TheEprom101: VTC solenoids are gummed up.

G2203V54: THE PROBLEM=ford has told its customers to use the wrong oil in this engines as the correct oil is very expensive!! and they dont want to have to buy it to use it in their services! why light weight oil? because the oil gallaries leading to the cam phasers are tiny so to keep pressure to the cam phasers you mast have the correct flow rate when you dont the cam phaser arnt working correctly wich alters the cam timing and lash adjuster values via the ecu!!

Gale Sams: hey barrett

tubesteak0u812: @G2203V54 oil galleries is that where they hang all the oil paintings? I have never been to an oil gallery would love to see one, also the oil price is no more than any other name brand oil

MrYAMI915: i wish someone would come buy at night and set fire to my 04 f150.. cant sell it cause i have a conscience and would feel guilty suckering someone else into this money pit

STEPHEN PARKER: @LPcustom76 I just purchased a 100k f150 5.4.. Same bad knock at low oil startup... and at stopped situations where I power up... Not a healthy sound.... Dealer said.,,, Service bullletin out about clogged oil port from bad oil filters.... I call BS. Thats Fords excuse for a recall must. These phasers are defective. Look at all the people on the net trying to find out a fix... over 100k searching for the holy grail.... for the 5.4 3v motor.

Wolvee: No, this is only a 3v problem. Your 03 4.6 is a 2v.

rumerboyz: thanks for the info!

flaresama: Sounds like mine, Just bought it used, had 140k on it. 5 months later after learning about the cam phaser issue, I lost two cylinders and now my truck is sitting in front of my house with several $5-8k repair estimates.

Kendrick Evans: Can anybody tell me if this problem occurs in the 4.6 trition as well. I have a 2003 Ford Expedition 4.6L and it makes a engine rattle noise SOMETIMES during start up...I'm wondering if that could be the issue

badderthanyou: I don't agree. So many cam phasers are bad with people ONLY using Moto 5w20 Semi Synth. The 5w20 was used for CAFE/mpg reductions that Ford needed, not in the engineering of the mod motor. Same motor in all other countries other than Canada specs 5w30 or 10w30 and they don't have the number of cam phaser issues we do.

Randolo88: Love ford! Have a 2010 at 87,000 phasers went. They put a whole new engine in under warranty over 12 grand!! All free ford Canada best to deal wiyh

Gale Sams: Yes i do use shell Rottela in my super duty 15-40 I did change 1 VCT on right bank.still runs good , I use nothing but Motor craft filters.

azascan: I do freak face....the 04 05 years are epidemic with this problem.

tekjanson: My truck is an F250 5.4 three valve, and this is a well known issue with this engine. I have had the cam phasors replaced and the engine doesn't sound much better, but the idle is a lot smoother. The rpm's are not jumping plus or minus 500 rpm when I am at a red light. Have a Ford Dealer replace your plugs at 60,000 also. The plugs might break in the head otherwise (another poor design), and they have a tool for removing them if they break.

C21GoldCastle: The vacuum line was disconnected from the heater control valve. ?? Did you notice ??

tekjanson: @G2203V54 More good info. Thanks. I'm only familiar with the 5.4 with variable timing, and the Honda's VTEC. Both require a light wt synth oil because they have little passages that the oil has to pass through in order to adjust the cam timing on the fly. I wonder if any one is doing it differently?. Anyway, thanks again.

tekjanson: The burning oil shouldn't have anything to do with the phasers. My experience is that the phasers tap when idling. I saw another video where a guy's phasers would rattle/tap when he accelerated. The phasers are at the front of the engine. They are round and sit in the round part of the valve cover. Have someone step on the gas while you listen to see if the noise is from the front part of the engine on the passenger side bank. This could be something else.

barrettb05: Its a gas engine... XD known issue...

D4x4Bronc: no 5w20 only

Dade Dooley: what oil should i use for my 2004 ford f150 with a 5.4L

myHome109: I noticed you still have the old style radiator cap, those have been known to fail at 0-4 psi allowing the coolant to boil out at 230F and never signalling an overheated condition. This can leave your heads dry, cooking the oil into sludge damaging the sensitive parts, phasers, lifters, hydraulic cam chain tensioner, etc... Change out the $12 radiator cap with a new FORD design rated at 16psi.

FordsAreSick11: is it a 05? my dad had a problem with the cams and we fixed it and it runs like new

giantj6ft7: All 04-09 f150's are riddled with problems from the IWE,solenoids,plugs, and vacuum lines...anyone want to buy mine.

tekjanson: Really?? You put Rotella 15-40 oil into a 5.4 gas engine? This is a gas engine that we are talking about. If that fixed your issue, that's amazing information.

HannahxoAbbi: Is it possible that it can be a exhaust manifold leak?

myHome109: By the way, have you ever used a plastic pipe and put it next to your ear and against the engine? It is a very accurate method in determining where the sound is coming from. My noise was coming from the injectors because the gas evap can line was broken, forcing the injectors to work over time, fouling the plugs, causing knocking and idle wobble. My fix was new evap can line, flush out the injector, decarbon, new plug and oil change. And it was loud knocks, but not phasers!

TheTerminator310: I'm really happy with the 5.4. Had mine for nearly 4 years with great service. Mine taps too, but only when warmed up and if the engine RPMs are anywhere between 800-1,200 RPMs. That is the VCT solenoids cycling oil pressure to the cam phasers when it's warmed up. If that is when the sound occurs on yours, then that's what it is doing. Very common and normal noise.

cindyej29: Send this message to everyone you Know!!!! If you own or going to bye a ford F150 truck or any VEHICLE that has a 5.4 3 valve engine DON"t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The spark plugs are a bitch to change and cost about 600. and the camphases go out between 40,000 60, and 80,000 the cost to fix is about 2,200. If you know anyone who this has happen to please call 1800-392-3673 and complain they said if there is enough issues they may recall and pay for it. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LPcustom76: @G2203V54 when you say "run a engine carbon cleaner thru it" do you mean in the old engine oil?

THEMASTEROFYOU2000: @emyreth07 read my above reply. Just use something like catrol gt 5w-20, always, and the correct filter, very important. the only additive I have ever (in 35yrs) found to really work is the Dura-lube, and I buy it at our local general discount store by the 12-pack case for like 32$, and use the small aditive only size, not the larger 32 ounce (with 20-40 oil). I ahve been around the suto scene for over 38 years, this is the only legitimate additive I have ever found and I use it.

Odstbone39: Are these problems only common on the 04-08 model f150 ?
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