slopothacrop: yes, as stated before the accuracy improvement is mid to long range, not
any thing before 200m, and only in rifles that are custom builds, or poorly
fitted from a cheap manufacture, or a worn out drill bit used to tap the
receiver holes, you will never see a difference in accuracy with a well
fitted receiver (about .001 - .005 fit tolerance, that's the optimal range
for good manufactures) and shooting at 50 - 100m, there will be no single
thing you can add to your gun at those distances, that will make you a
better shot, at those ranges any one can learn to shoot well with iron
sights on just about any gun, be it a 10/22 to a Mosin Nagant, if you suck
at these ranges it is shooter error, start to move past 200m out to 500m
and your shot can be thrown off by a small gust of wind downrange. the less
your gun moves the less trajectory interference, plain and simple and as
for the Acu-Wedge this will help a rifle as mentioned above achieve these
shots consistently where as with out the consistency degrades to
unacceptable for reliability
73Corbin: Thats a great explanation, I am glad that I waited for your reply before I
installed it, there are some people making videos that have it totally
backwards, some of them even breaking out the dremel tools and butchering
up the wedge because they cant get the upper closed enough to put the pins
in.. thanks for the reply!
ELITEHAMSTER123: Doesn't matter what its made of. You have a slight but common misconception
on firearm precision. Bolt action stocks actually do not have to be "solid"
to produce good precision. The scope is mounted to the receiver so if the
the POA is on target, the POI is on target. They must however be free
floated because pressure on the barrel changes the POA to POI relation.
AR-15s have no free float problems and if they do (two piece handguard) it
is in the upper receiver not the lower.
factionfx: Awesome, thanks for the video. Can't wait to put mine in.
ELITEHAMSTER123: That's a shooter error not a mechanical error. Every time you look down the
sights you don't fire if the POA is moving you wait until the POA is on
your desired target. Either way, holding the rifle tightens the pins which
eliminates any wobble as well as using a bipod or sandbag. You really have
to try and get an alignment error by twisting the stock to the side while
holding the forearm the other way.
viciousGLOCK: DOES NOT FIT ON SPIKES TACTICAL. I KEPT TRIMMING UNTIL NOTHING WAS LEFT. It
was cheap, so not a big deal
ELITEHAMSTER123: Ok, but that tells nothing. Someone else could shoot that same sloppy rifle
and still get a good score. I have an AR with a magpul PRS and a dpms adj
stock. I shoot approximately MOA with both. Its not the equipment at fault,
its the shooter. I cant explain it any more, go out to the range, shoot
both with and without the wedge (or with collapsible and fixed stock) and
see the difference. And please keep bias from affecting your groups. Prove
it to yourself.
lfannin90: I just looked this up. Go to Amazon.com and type in "Accu wedge". Then
click at the very first option. The title says "Accu Wedge buffer for Ar-15
S&W M&P" "Customer Reviews" underneath the title. Most of the DPMS users
said it fit perfect, but many others said it didn't fit but you'll also
notice that a lot of users had to shave it down a little bit to make it
fit. All you have to do is shave it down with a razor blade (or other sharp
object) a little at a time until it fits. Hope this helps!
slopothacrop: i think you comment's illustrate you have never shot at any thing past
200m, your talking of point of aim when im talking about minute forces
generated by shooting in the prone, (uncontrollable ones like heartbeat),
lemme break it down like this, US ARMY training VS keyboard commando pickle
nuts. fyi every D.M.R. and every hunting bolt gun has a solid stock, and
what a strange coincidence that when any of these rifles are fitted with a
non locking adj stock's their accuracy degrades past 300m?
mattbo343: I was an Instructor in the Marine Corps and what you say is absolutely
true. That is the very reason why people spend so much money on bedding
their stocks. Take a standard Remington 700 and one that's been bedded and
you will see the HUGE difference it makes.
Jeff vador: AR-15's and Yota!!! your my hero
slopothacrop: here's what you should do, go down to you local ARMY or MARINE recruiters
office ask who is qualified to shoot marksmen or better, and ask him if he
can make the exact same shot with the exact same weapon at the exact same
distance of 500m and open sights with the only difference being one has a
mil spec adj stock, and the other has a fixed stock and see what his answer
is. or save your self a trip and watch a video on how adding a fixed stock
adds accuracy to previously adjustable stocks.
ELITEHAMSTER123: the accu-wedge does not really improve accuracy. The only thing that can
really affect it is if the barrel is in consistent in relation to your
sights, but since the upper, consisting of the barrel and sights stay
aligned, regardless of wither the lower is attached or not, you still are
left with the same groups. This is more like placebo for shooters.
AMET1013: what forend are you using? how do you like it? thanks great video btw
tracycolorado: a little piece of plastic could mean a differance of Hit or Miss the target
, Means , Money Well Spent
Pat Albor: Installed on Tac15 ordnance crossbow . Helps a TON. Thanks The aluminum
upper has a bit to much play making cant error feel awful.
Chem istry: Can anyone confirm if it will fit a dpms (orcale/sportacle) & if so how
much modification? problems to report or any info
FireN4Get: accu wedge should come standard with LWRC .
WheeliePete: Oh my, that's scary. And to think those people are operating the weapon at
some point...lol... I hope they never take their bolt apart, they'll never
get it back together...
slopothacrop: @slopothacrop tighter weapon = no play when shooting= more accurate shots,
if what you are saying was true, no one would care about how solid a bolt
action rifles stock is, when shooting at longer distances it is important
your weapon is as solid as a rock, any thing less runs the a greater risk
of "flyers", and for 5 bucks it made my wilson combat ar solid as a rock.
its not plastic btw, its flexible rubber, witch shows me you have not had
any time with one.
slopothacrop: my belief that you have not shot past 200y/m is derived at by your stance
that a long range shot can be taken with a rifle that is not fitted with a
fixed or locking adj stock. as any one who has attempted these shots know
its almost luck to get to get 5-6" grouping with the mil spec adj stock and
a poorly fitted receiver at 300m. you say argue with facts and that's all
I've been doing except my assertation that you have not shot long range but
you made it easy to spot. no insults meant sir.
ELITEHAMSTER123: Again, shooter error not mechanical error. Also you keep thinking regular
stocked guns are the same as dual receiver guns. They are not. Even if the
receivers are misaligned, the optic is mounted to the upper, and so long as
you visually check that your aim is on target the rifle will still perform.
With or without the wedge. What you are thinking of is barrel optic shift,
which does not happen in ARs (minus the two piece handguard mentioned
slopothacrop: @ELITEHAMSTER123 i think the accu in accu wedge implies an accurate fit
between upper and lower, not shooting accuratly... ether that or mabey a
minor improvement at 200yd +
Jackdg1984: Thanks for the info i didn't know that product existed. Im going to get 1
of them for my ar-15. :)
ELITEHAMSTER123: And so how exactly does the wedge help this? We keep going into a loop
about this with you always trying to prove your point by saying I never
shoot past 200 yards. Were exactly did you pull out that range? Perhaps you
have never shot past 200 yards until recently? Argue with facts and not ego
please. I never once insulted you.
slopothacrop: really, thats funny i dont know how you would swap the two stocks out in
the field to get a comparison, as the PRS stock is a fixed stock and
requires removal of the castle nut. are you saying you do all this in the
field? or are now you saying you have two lowers/ ars? or are you saying
you shot one before and now you have the other on it? either way it dont
matter, distance does, shooting at 50m vs 300m will make a world of
difference with those two stocks.
REDT4R1: like a glove..haha
ArmyBrat: Damn ipad keyboard! If it fits with out some trimming you shouldn't have
bought that AR-15. It should not wiggle that much to begin with. I spent 12
years as a soldier so this isn't from someone without experience with this
lfannin90: Sorry, I had a typo. After you click on the title then click on "Customer
Georgia Shooter: Really appreciate you posting this. I upgraded my stock to a tight fitting
friction design and hoping this wedge will solid up the upper-lower. Should
be a much more solid feeling and quiet weapon all around. It's already more
accurate than I can possibly take advantage of. This is more for stealth in
a defense situation. I'm even removing extra swivels and parts that I dont
use to reduce rattles.
ELITEHAMSTER123: @slopothacrop thats the thing though, you could shoot the rifle at 1,000+
yards and you would still get the same groups. The only thing that
mechanically affects accuracy on a rifle is the optics and the barrel out
of alignment. Since an AR upper keeps those two pieces together at all
times, sticking a piece of plastic in the lower won't do a thing. Although
WheeliePete did mention the noise reduction in which case buying this would
WheeliePete: The correct way to install it is with the wedge up so that it "wedges" the
upper as it comes down and snugs everything up. If you install it upside
down then you are just crushing the wedge shaped piece into the lower (like
a spring). If it was meant to be installed that way they would have just
made it a cylinder. It's wedge shaped to take advantage of the wedge.
73Corbin: i see this installed with the disk on top, and other videos with the round
part on the bottom like your video,, it looks like your way is easier,
where did you get the installation information? mine didnt come with any
WheeliePete: Man, I can't remember the manufacturer, I think it might be Yankee Hill. It
just replaced the stock plastic forend (two piece clamshell) The machining
on it was great and I covered the rails with MagPul's rail covers. Love
those things. The forward grip was just something I had laying around and I
think I might just pull it off. I never use it. The bipod I picked up at a
gun show, unknown manufacturer, but I like it, folds forward, quick deploy.
ELITEHAMSTER123: Two ARs, different buffer tubes, different optics but same iron sights.
ELITEHAMSTER123: No problem. So have you shot with and without the wedge yet? There really
is no difference in accuracy.
ELITEHAMSTER123: Again, remember we are talking about AR-15s. It is a dual receiver rifle.
Why can we remove the receiver FROM THE STOCK (lower) and yet maintain
zero? Because the optic is mounted to the upper which in turn is mounted to
the barrel. there is no misalignment between sight and barrel which causes
shifts in point of impact. This is a misconception that many members of the
armed force have unless they previously worked on variety of firearms.
ELITEHAMSTER123: I actually got the PRS from ebay for about $100. I thought it was one of
those airsoft clones that magpul licenced, but it seems solid enough. I did
use an A2 with a foam pad made from a exercise mat and epoxy as a cheek
riser until then though. It was very short due to the charging handle and
so I switched it out.
slopothacrop: again its obvious you have never shot at anything past 200m. if all you got
out of what i told you was i think a gun with mated receivers are the same
as bolt guns, you missed the mark again, all "dual receiver" guns that are
built for accuracy have furniture that will mock the sold feel of a bolt
gun. plain and simple read a gun magazine, read a forum, educate yourself
btw barrell optic shift is when you remove an optic and put it back on and
have a different zero than before.
slopothacrop: sorry i forgot the prs requires the removal of the castle nut, adj buffer
tube (and all the springs and pins to go with it) installation of an A2
buffer tube and castle nut and endplate. this is not some thing you can
take to the range and swap out for test comparison this is semi permanent
gun modification. the prs is about 300$ almost the cost of a savage bolt
gun. you could have had the same if not better amenities with a ctr and a
cheek riser if your scope mounts are med- high for about 80$
slopothacrop: "You have a slight but common misconception on firearm precision. Bolt
action stocks actually do not have to be "solid" to produce good
precision"- this is incorrect, the entire firearm must be solid, to create
constant cheek weld of the stock. i have an army marksman badge i earned in
basic ( FYI, its a requirement to become a sniper, an option i did not
pursue) . all qualification shots are taken with the M-16A2 (fixed stock)
in order to achieve a 500M target hit.
ArmyBrat: I installed it, had to trim it down a lot for it to fit, if you v
slopothacrop: well i answered that question for you well over a year ago but again, the
acu wedge reduces movement between receivers to allow a more solid purchase
and is the difference between a 2" group and a 5" group at 200+ yds/meters
for me personally. ive been shooting well past that range since 2004 when i
enlisted in the US ARMY and graduated from basic training from FT Benning
WheeliePete: @ELITEHAMSTER123 I agree. Although, it does snug up some of the slop
between the upper and the lower which I really like. Slop=Noise.
lapd1989: That was really hard to install! Thanks for the vid!