grapsorz: You need to retrofit that Jøtul with a "clean burning system" and then it
will burn just as clean AND slower then a rocketstove.
The optimization is needed to be don in the wood stow and not in the back
part. the conversion of the stow is don by insulatin the sides then
introduce the preeheated air in to the top and to the roof in the front
befor the flame goes up in to the uper "burn chamber" then you get a
compleet burn as long as the woof is not to wet. i use modern Dover burners
that work just liek that.. mine is a smaler one. (the one you have trhere
is the old 60cm type) stil it burns complete and heat up realy good.
What i dooo need is somthing to remove more heat from the the gasses goign
out from it. now it just goes out the back and out thru the wall.. so a lot
is lost to the outside.
Roger Buchan: to much fule or (wood) being converted to gas at one time the burn will be
Sue Woods: What about in a room added onto a mobile home. I have mt wood furnace in
there but go through a tremendous amount of wood. I need some help.
John Ah Kuoi: whatif, you had the rocket mass heater before the stove?- you get the clean
burn first before it entered the cooking stove? ....
Bev Miller: So can one take a wood stove and fully envelop it in thermal mass to create
a more efficient thermal mass hybrid approximating a RSMH?
cbzombiequeen58: problem , ive only got a 4x4 space to make a rocket mass heater.instead of
going sideways for the mass I need a way to make it all in a 4x4
square.this square is in the middle of two rooms.the floor is wood. the
whole house in on 4x4 that are cemented in .we were going to put in a
regular cast iron or metal heater but I like the rocket mass heater
instead.worried about if this small mass would heat 28x32 house.and need
plains for this square unit any help would be great were lost
Erica Wisner: Thanks, Paul! @RonRay: There are definitely drawbacks to incorporating a
metal woodstove, especially in terms of efficiency. But there are some
practical advantages: more people know how to light it without training,
ditto the cooking or cleanout features. And citing the common EPA exemption
for 'antique stove' may be easier than educating a local building inspector
on mass-based exemptions or getting exemption letters. In short, it adds an
element of 'normal' that some people like.
unkulmark: How much would it have increased the efficiency if Ernie would have added
stacks of bricks along the sides & top of this wood stove? Has anyone tried
covering a rocket hybrid wood stove in cob to increase the mass?
paul wheaton: This is why we have the forums at permies - to cover all this stuff in
HighTechRicky: May eyebrows your computer?
paul wheaton: If you try to heat pressurized water, there is a good chance of an
explosion that will kill you.
M M: Wouldn't you be able to achieve your highest goal by covering the entire
body of the stove with cob?
Darren Rahn: What if the fire box of the wood stove was lined like a masonry stove?
Would that work like an insulator to improve the rocket mass heater
section, or as a heat-sink hindering the complete combustion if the gasses?
wai president: Hi, I like the view of fire, and plan to use rocket mass heater to heat
water that will heat my floor, but I do not have a good design that can
allow me to view the burning (with air wash feature) and have enough heat
for the second conbustion. I would like some advice.
RonRay: I think the only way to incorporate a wood heater with a rocket stove,
would be to use the cast iron stove as the heat riser (heat exchanger). But
that is what the "mass" does in the first place. Either way, trying to
incorporate a wood stove is just 'backing up': Benjamin Franklin already
paul wheaton: Much like a conventional stove, you start the fire with kindling. Once that
is gone, add some bigger stuff. By that time, the room is plenty warm and
you stop feeding the fire. The room stays warm for a day or more. Feeding
the stove every half hour is what you do with a conventional stove, not
with a rocket mass heater.
Alfred Owen: To convert to normal stove to a rocket mass heater just build a wood insert
insulated and set in side the wood box of the normal wood heater
MrHottleaded: I'm like you, I don't see truly how a rocket stove is useful with all I
have read seen you need to feed them trigs every half hour. I don't have
time to baby a rocket stove I have things to do like live. i Europe a
masonry wood stoves have been used for 100s of years and can heat your
Quodge: "Paul Wheaton" "why do you say it like that?" "like what? Im just saying
Paul Wheaton" "like that, putting all the emphasis on the H"
Steve Berthiaume: when using a woodstove in this configuration- without the mass- is the
exhaust still hot enough to rise up a conventional chimney? thanks!
Fynmarr: Awesome video, I was wondering about this. Thanks for posting. As a side
note, the sped up video at the end was a little creepy somehow.
LibertyBooksAZ: Hey Paul! We need a LOT more videos of the Wisners giving us every scrap of
knowledge in their heads, just like this one. Ernie is so articulate (Erika
too!). You are making a resource collection that is extremely valuable thru
this channel and your other websites. What sets yours apart is the ongoing
discussions of what works / what didn't work / what worked for awhile but
failed or got revised, and WHY. My deepest appreciation.
John Da Costa: When it comes to such matters, I am quite the simpleton. Upon listening to
the faults explained in the video, it occurred to me that the simple act of
insulating the old wood stove may be the solution, Just a thought...
TORQUER3: burn it burn it burn it...baby
paul wheaton: Yes. That would probably improve things with this design.
Chris Towerton: Info like this is a great help... Thanks for posting... More,more Chris
Suzy Bean: Good info.
Schpankme Verimuch: Your riser needs to be built from a different material, which will run
hotter like 'aluminium'.
paul wheaton: @muserwood my latest video has a rmh with a lot of stone.
BaronVonSTFU: Perhaps you can point me in the right direction on this one, but I see all
these videos and people say how warm they feel with the rocket mass stove
and whatnot. I'm interested. But what is warm? Do you have any videos
talking about actual temperatures of the room, or how big the room is? Am I
able to walk around the room and stay warm or is it just warm around
heater? Also, this might be an eye of the beholder thing, but isn't there
anyone out there that makes rmh that don't look so rustic?
beetelgeuze: good upload, thnx
Steve Smith: I've been toying with the idea of building a stone rocket mass stove, (I
can't seem to find one on YouTube) any thoughts?
Dan Murphy: Rubber or trash is not a good idea... "it does not work!", I drop a piece
of my old charcoal in once in a while...I left a bag out in the rain.... it
burn fine as long as it only 1 or 2 pieces at a time. But there book it
tell you what flues work or dont work.
farmrdave: #2 with the brick mass ahead of the heat exchanger barrel, long after the
fire is out the draft continues at a large volume. The air movement through
the stove collects the heat from the brick tower then moves on through the
heat exchanger I can place my hands on the heat exchanger barrel hours
after the fire and it is still radiating heat while the pipe is cold where
it exits into the chimney. Due to the volume of air removed from the room
it is not efficient. Just passing on my results..
Omega Survival Supply: it'd be nice to see diagrams or a more thorough explanation of how you
built. thanks for the vid....just subbed.
Logan TheRedOne: So.... you are basically trying to re-crate a Franklin Stove? Look it up.
Ben Franklin wanted everyone to have one so much he didnt patent it.
David W. Reed: I wonder if packing the wood stove in cob might be a shortcut to just
making a full on rocket mass heater....
ZeroFossilFuel: Seems to me you could line the interior of the firebox with reflective
fiberglass panels and firebrick to A) constrict the size of the opening
increasing velocity and B) raise the firebox temp. Problem still is instead
of continuous gravity feed and controlled burn, you're feeding by the load,
making it flare up and burn out too quickly.
KJ's Garden: If the water were heated, or preheated, before pressurization, that should
paul wheaton: @muserwood my latest video has a rmh with a lot of stone.
madpainter69: Hi! good job on the video.. I was thinking about it a little... what about
lineing the stove with fire brick? would that help? I would like to build
from scrach with the rocket stove idea. whith a large fire box(like a wood
stove)(so i would not have to keep feeding it) thinking biger scale because
i want to heat a shop... well... and burn less wood... lol ... I'm probably
wanting alot....Just thinking ot loud. thanks for your time...
string011: Seems like a rouge razor blade got to Ernie somehow. I'm glad to see this.
I was planning on trying this myself later this year. It may be an
excellent way to get the rocket tech thru the code process.
popoqwer: the world needs a lot more people like you...thank you!
Ben Dover: more.If you smell smoke,letting out fuel.Rocket stove you will only get
water vapor and co2.masonary is better than a wood stove,less than a rocket.
Mario Gonzalez: I was thinking if the J part is what basically causes both the wood and
gases to burn why can't I just install one in the front inside my woodstove
with a back panel in the rear to let the smoke draw from the bottom.I
already have an 8 shape exhaust pipe to get the most out of the heat with a
fan that blows across it
KJ's Garden: yeah, I can't get past his hair and his perpetually sky-high eyebrows -
together they are hard to watch... shallow, I know, but...
adammz08: @paulwheaton RE if you heat pressurized water your in for a chance of an
explosion,,,, um dude,, just about all pressurized water heat devices
usually get hot from heating. They all have a pressure release valve as
normal just to release the pressure if it may get to a stage it will . Cast
iron Wood heaters with water input and outputs are sold off the shelf here
in Ireland,,, they go through the house radiators for heating,,, yours was
not a clear comment sorry.
MrHottleaded: I have never fed a wood stove more than three times in a day.
Jason Shepperly: Power a small fan to direct your airflow and produce your desired effect
with a turbine exaust power generator which is powered by the rising of
air. Like a wind turbine or fan blades. it has to be metal though. This
also will give you a chance to power small devices, like alarm clocks. You
can put a light manure/hay mix at the very top of the exhaust, filtering
the smoke, making it greener.
ahnamay: It's the "burn it" rap! :-)