How To Diagnose Toyota Timing Chain Rattle Or Knock Troubleshoot 22R 22RE 22RET




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David Williams: I have a 1991 toyota extended cab 4x4 with a 22re that just turned over 200,000 miles.  I was driving about 65mph when I started to smell hot antifreeze.  I pulled over immediately and found that my freeze plug block heater had blown out.  I towed the truck home,checked my oil for antifreeze (just changed it and it looked new) replaced the block heater, fired up the engine, heard a "new" ticking noise, noticed white smoke from the tail pipe and shut it down.  I checked the oil again and found antifreeze mixed with the oil.  The body, interior and drive train  is in exceptional shape.  I have owned this Toyota for 20 years and always serviced it on time.  Is it time to buy a rebuilt high performance long block OR change the head gasket and timing chain (+ cover if bad) - or just sell the truck as is.  If I sell, they seem to be in demand and I wonder what a fair price would be.  Any suggestions??

John Browne: OK... I had just gotten the milled head back, & new gasket in place and was ready to button this 22R up, after finding water in the oil. I came to You Tube to look for some tips about getting the cam gear back on the shaft, and found this one here... and had a look. When I went back to the rig and looked inside, found that broken guide in there... and I cussed a little, then pulled the head (no bolts yet) & gasket out, and removed the timing cover... and, yes-- a pain in the keister.
When I had it off and looked inside, there were two grooves- like a little track- running along the chain cover... right on the water pump housing! Looking in from that side showed me a very prominent little ridge... and, I believe, the Source of my problem (could have left the head & gasket alone, most likely). So NOW it's a new cover, new chain, new guides, gaskets, etc... and it's ALL YOUR FAULT! (Thanks, man!) ^..^

69roadr: i think this is the problem with my 84 Toyota Celica (165,000 mi). thanx for the vid

sprinter2burnbaby: thanks for the upload. helped me alot

rjbourassa: Hi WP. I think I'm hearing what is described in your video, but I've got a 2004 Tacoma with the 2RZ-FE 2.4L motor in it, not the 22R(*). Before I go pulling things apart to look at it, would you know if the 2RZ-FE motor is susceptible to the same timing chain guide problems you describe on the 22R in your video? Engine sounds/runs great (88K miles) other than that "rattle" when I take my foot off the gas the and RPMs drop back down. Thanks in advance for any help! rjb

bruce bacon: Thank you for this informative sequence, good dialogue, clear and easy to follow-super!

David Carbon: you're a talented teacher

k1ghz960: Thanks,WP, it does look like it would be better to remove all the front stuff and replace the timing gears and chain, I'll take a good look when I get the valve cover off. It's a 95 Truck w/ 275k miles, and I'd like to drive it another 100k, maybe an engine swap would be better. It does run good, would you know of a preferred engine dealer just in case. Thanks much again.

k1ghz960: Is it true that you can change the driver's side chain-guide without removing anything but the valve cover? I've heard that it's possible. Thanks much.

Catman Outdoors: I have a 91 yota with the 22re and last spring it started a slight rattling sound in the motor on higher throttle when not under load. It increased throughout the year and is now pretty frequent. At low idle and when punching the gas it doesn't rattle, but at higher idle (cold start) and decelerating or downshifting, it rattles. Could this be the same problem as in your video? I gave 1800 for the truck and it has over 318k miles, 267k when I bought it. is it worth the cost in labor to get that fixed? I suppose I should look for someone who specializes in toyotas to take a look at it. Would like to get some more miles out of it, I know it's a good motor.

Morgan M: Awesome and very helpful/informative video.  I have a '87 and adjusted the valves as well but there is still a clacking of course.  If I take of the valve cover must I replace the gasket each time?  Thanks again for the good video.

Ironmike965: Awesome info. Pete !  I'm about to embark on replacing my '92 Toyota pickup timing set, and you answered most of the questions I had about it.  Thanks for the high def. and well lit pictures as well.  They are a great help !        Mike

Monte Overton: Thanks Pete. This video was really helpful. 

v Lehr: THIS IS A REAL HELP TO ME, I PURCHASED A 1988 TOYOTA PICKUP SO I WILL PUT IN A STEEL GUID AND DOUBLEROLLER CHAIN.ON IT.GOD BLESS FOR INFO -VIC,,

John F: So you show the seller a problem, that almost every 22re Toyota truck with over 100k miles is guaranteed to have, and you use that as an excuse to lowball the seller and "get the price knocked down a bunch". Do you also beat up the seller on a non functioning 20+ year old a/c system and inform him that it is a $500+ repair at a shop? or that the seat belts are worn, no longer retract and they cost over $100 a piece? I have to give you credit for this video that helped people but you sure do have some unsavory negotiating techniques. You should work as a used car salesman.

Rachael Gustafson: Well made video, thanks for the helpful tips. I appreciate your clear speaking and to the point information. My 1984 22R does not have this marble in a box sounds but the valve cover does leak like a siv. Will check the tensioner once the cover is off.

Chad Paul: Great video.  My 94 recently started making a loud pinging noise under load and my friend thought it may be the timing chain.  But wouldn't it make the sound always or would it do it just under load?  Also the noise started right after turning on the heater, not sure if that was a coincidence.  It does have 250,000 miles on it.

Ben Richer: We are trying to diagnose my uncles 22re. I did a tune up and valve adjustment, and it quieted down, but under load, we hear a clack clack clack. i suspect its the tensioner/guides.

Brandon Hamilton: Very thorough and informative videos Pete. I appreciate them.

Raymond Deza: Never mind the dislikers This is a good post. Thanks a lot!
-rad4runner@yotatech
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